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Title: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Piotr Kaminski on Aug 15, 2015 18:52
Hi guys,
My name is Peter just joined your airlines, doing my first flight to Sion :) (not many airlines has that destination) was wandering if any one of you knows if its possible to install PMDG jetstreem on P3d v2 2.5 or?


rgds
Peter
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Chris Liu on Aug 15, 2015 21:01
My understanding is it is possible (although against PMDG EULA) but IAS hold won't work.
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Piotr Kaminski on Aug 16, 2015 14:41
Thx Chris
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Piotr Kaminski on Aug 16, 2015 14:44
I'm getting unable to locate fsx installation will terminate, do I need to download new build from PMDG or there is somekind of override way?
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Chris Liu on Aug 17, 2015 22:27
PMDG do not officially support the J41 in FSX:SE or P3D yet. They have said they are likely to update it in the future, but it's low priority.

I think you need an import tool to get it working in P3D at the moment. PMDG won't help you with that because it's against the J41's EULA; they recently had a crackdown on people using their products in P3D without having first purchased the appropriate licence. You might find the discussion at http://www.avsim.com/topic/469968-js41-wont-detect-fsx-st/ (http://www.avsim.com/topic/469968-js41-wont-detect-fsx-st/) helpful, it would seem to suggest that creating an FSX path in your system's registry should solve your problem.
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Chris Liu on Jun 19, 2017 10:56
So after over two years of wilful silence from PMDG regarding the future of the J41, I read this on their official Facebook page in the comments section under a post about 747 and 777 updates:

(https://snag.gy/SslV5y.jpg) (https://www.facebook.com/pmdgsimulations/posts/1489813241058455)

No timescales given but it seems there is hope for the only decent circa 30 seat addon for FSX-based simulators. Given that most of their other products have had more substantial mentions though, I expect it is a long way off and could potentially drop off the table at any time.
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Chris Liu on Jul 29, 2017 22:50
So a further official update, this time from Rob Randazzo himself, and I'm afraid it's not great news:
QuoteThis officially completes the process of getting our core product line into line with P3D v4- and we can begin shifting focus to evaluating the J41 (unlikely to be converted)
The full press release is at https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/516189-28jul17-updates-for-737-747-777-and-finally-the-pmdg-737-600700-expansion-is-available/ (https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/516189-28jul17-updates-for-737-747-777-and-finally-the-pmdg-737-600700-expansion-is-available/)
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Chris Liu on Sep 06, 2017 22:53
It seems PMDG have had a change of heart and the J41 will be in P3Dv4 soon!
Official statement at https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1578407538865691&id=165758250130634 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1578407538865691&id=165758250130634)

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21318959_1578407438865701_3091393089602537795_o.jpg?oh=b8d9aab49994f9c33a7c3395340ede2e&oe=5A55FC0F) (https://www.facebook.com/pmdgsimulations/photos/pcb.1578407538865691/1578407438865701/?type=3&theater)

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21414991_1578407458865699_820246113455948796_o.jpg?oh=277a289bf317dd2e45fc16ebb17cb19e&oe=5A19A48A) (https://www.facebook.com/pmdgsimulations/photos/pcb.1578407538865691/1578407458865699/?type=3&theater)
I'm slightly concerned PMDG have binned the FMS because above it has been replaced by the weather radar. And where the WXR was appears to be some variety of GPS, but I can only see the top edge. Hopefully this is just an option for third party GPS (e.g. F1 GTN) as I rather liked the GNS XLS, but I can understand how ditching the FMS may reduce the porting work involving; it should be noted the FMS was optional on the real aircraft, on many there's just the backup COM1 radio in its place.
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Chris Liu on Oct 06, 2017 10:16
So a further update with information garnered from various PMDG official sources: The GNS-XLS FMS was developed by a third party and will not be ported to P3Dv4, it has been replaced by a bodged-in PMDG Garmin GNS500 (https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/520961-p3d-v4-the-js-41/?do=findComment&comment=3718624) (similar to the unit in default aircraft) although the much more capable the Flight1 GTN750 is integrated (a separate $65 purchase). There is currently no word on RealityXP GNS530v2 integration nor ActiveSky's weather radar.

It's shaping up to be pretty much straight port aside from the GPS unit so don't expect new features beyond some P3D lighting.
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Enrico Lazzaroni on Nov 10, 2017 12:53
Quote from: Chris Liu on Oct 06, 2017 10:16
It's shaping up to be pretty much straight port aside from the GPS unit so don't expect new features beyond some P3D lighting.

So, Chris, no FMS? That is silly, you buy a new product to lose some of its original features? I can't see myself flying the JS4100 with the GPS, I'll stick with the FSX version.
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Ian Robson on Dec 20, 2017 10:10
I think I'm ok with the removal of the GNS FMS, assuming that I can use Aivlasoft EFB to inject the flight plan into the standard GPS (I don't own the F1 GTN and have no plans to purchase it).

I'll definitely be getting the P3d v4 version of this wonderful aircraft once it is released.
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Chris Liu on Dec 20, 2017 11:13
I don't see why that wouldn't work, the only issue would be if your SID or arrival runway was changed by ATC how would you go about go about reprogramming that or would you just have to go raw data using the chart and pick up the LNAV later?
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Ian Robson on Dec 20, 2017 14:50
Hi Chris,

If you change the flight plan in EFB overwrites the default flightplan and it is reflected immediately in the default GPS. I used to do this for the assigned STAR, i.e. add it once assigned by ATC during cruise/descent, (At least that is how it worked in FSX, haven't tried it in P3Dv4 yet)

The default GPS just sees the SID\STAR as part of the flight plan, so there is no vertical awareness just lateral. You need to use the vertical constraints shown within EFB and manually manage your descent.
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Chris Liu on Apr 26, 2019 16:39
In case anyone here missed if, the J41 got a mention from Robert Randazzo in the "[12APR19] A weekend Two-fer, P3D v4.5 update thoughts and 73s and 4s and 7s, oh MY!" press release.
QuoteRight now, all development priority is on the NG3, 747 and Global Flight Operations- but the 777 is going to get a few updates...
PMDG BAe JS4100 Updates:
We are not currently planning any development time on this product due to severe problems we ran into while trying to upgrade it to become compatible with Prepar3D. There WILL come a time when we circle back for it, but it is unlikely to happen in the near term.
Testers have indicated those issues centre around the geared turboprop engine simulation. Given how far down the queue it is and the PMDG definition of "soon" I doubt we'll see a P3Dv4 capable JS41 this year, it'll probably start at P3Dv5. Indeed in a separate post he commented
QuoteWe have our P3D dev plan nailed down until 2023
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Chris Liu on Aug 31, 2019 02:49
Some new screenshots of it in P3Dv4 have appeared on PMDG's forums :o https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/pmdg-js41/3937-hope-this-bird-comes-to-p3dv4-4-with-pbr-also-testing-to-see-if-i-got-the-button-thing-working?p=19301#post19301
Title: Re: PMDG J41 and P3D v2 2.5v is it possiple or will be?
Post by: Juergen Vollmer on Nov 19, 2019 20:09
In this case I tend to be rather pessimistic, as PMDG is dragging on this project already for a looong time with nothing to show really.
This seems to be  niche too small for them to be interested in, they are into jets and big airliners mainly.

However, I found a way to use my PMDG JS4100 plane in P3D4 with a little trick:
first I installed the product following this very useful video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgy_HmpK3NU. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgy_HmpK3NU.)
That gets the plane into your Prepar3d version using the migration tool.
Then I purchased the recently released BAe Jetstream 31 here: http://www.virtualcol.com/shop/tvirtual.php?f4lksnx5trng=detailp&cdeb7e4bbf8fd63413e62dab68eb=61 (http://www.virtualcol.com/shop/tvirtual.php?f4lksnx5trng=detailp&cdeb7e4bbf8fd63413e62dab68eb=61) and installed it into P3D4 without any problems.
With both planes now in my Simobjects/Airplanes directory all I had to do was to change the panel.cfg in the JS4100 and send it to the panel directory of the JS31.
One big caveat though: the 3D panel does not work, but the 2D panel does all you need ;-)

hope this helps some of you to get that beautiful bird flying in P3D4
Cheers
Juergen

EDIT:
I just flew from London City to Luxemburg and about half way I lost some vital instruments like attitude Indicator, altitude indicator and climb/descent indicator. Speedometer still working though. So this solution is really not ideal I am afraid.